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Date: August 14, 2004 05:14 PM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Back from surgery
Sure feels good to be back checking out the DR. I really missed the banter. Thanks to all for your support.
Jerry
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Date: August 14, 2004 05:21 PM
Author: b patton
Welcome welcome - are you at home now? everything OK? remember to rest - lighten up on the cigarettes and good vino and tell all about your experience "under the knife" when you feel stronger.
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Date: August 15, 2004 08:02 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Back from surgery
Thanks. I got home early afternoon yesterday, (Saturday).
I seem to be progressing well.
It takes a lot longer than I realized to recuperate from the chest wound they have to inflict, in order to access the heart.
Smoking for me? A definite no-no.
For those that are interested, I will post some of my observations on the procedure that I think might help someone else know what to expect, and how to cope.
It sure was an experience I will not forget.
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Date: August 15, 2004 08:16 AM
Author: Finster
Subject: Welcome Back, Jerry
Welcome back, Jerry. I wish you a speedy and full recovery.
Finster
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Date: August 15, 2004 08:59 AM
Author: Jerry R
LaPlante
Subject: Back again
Thanks Finster, good to be back.
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Date: August 14, 2004 10:10 PM
Author: DaveGillie
Subject: wow, that seemed fast
bet it seemed more like forever to you?
Glad all went well, now post some interesting info on the hospital experience, we'll all be there one day or another
DaveGillie
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Date: August 15, 2004 08:58 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Yes it did go fast.
You are also right, in that it seemed to take forever to get released to go home.
For those of you interested, I will go through some of my experiences. It may help someone in the future.
First I must tell you that I had a heart attack in 1996.
I was put through angiogram, and angioplasty, and they put 2 stents in the arteries of my heart to open them up.
I went until April of this year without incident. I did have angina, or chest pain, during the interim. On April 4th of this year, I had another attack.
Once again, they did another angioplasty, and put 5 stents in the arteries. They let me go home, and for some unknown reason, my body started clotting those stents up.
15 hours later, I was back in the hospital with another slight attack. They roto rootered the clots and made sure the stents were open, and 2 days later they sent me home again.
15 hours later, I was again in the hospital with another slight attack. The stents had clotted up again. This time, they used a stronger blood thinner, and held me in the hospital 2 days beyond taking me off of that thinner, for observation.
That seemed to do the trick. No more troubles with the stents, but that were other problems.
I have found that angiograms, and angioplasties are almost completely painless. What discomfort there is, is very slight.
I still had blockages in 4 arteries that had no been addressed as yet.
My cardiologist set me up with another angiogram, to take pictures of the arteries that were still to be addressed.
I then set a date for a physical exam and chat with the surgeon. He set me up for a complete physical with my primary care physician, After this was all done, the date was set for surgery.
I was to go into the hospital on the 9th of August for pre registration, which included another battery of blood tests and breathing tests. I guess they need to be sure that the lungs are up for the experience.
This pre registration took about 4 hours. A lot of the time was paperwork also.
I was in the hospital the next morning at 5:00 am, to be prepare for surgery. Once again, another battery of blood tests. Then the usual. Shaving, placing of interveinous needles etc.. By 7:40 I was ready and prepped for surgery. Now they started injecting me with stuff to make me a little sleepy.
By the time I got to the surgery room, it was (almost) the last thing I remember before waking up in my recovery room, which was around noon.
The one thing I remember, is the thing that scared me the most in the whole procedure.
After putting me under, they evidently shove a breathing tube down my thoat, into my lungs, and they control my breathing. The scary part is that I was unaware of this, and I must have been gaining conciousness, when my body was trying to suck air, but couldn't. I was aware enough to know that I couldn't breath in. I wanted to tell someone, but my mouth was taped shut. They must have put me under again after that. What a horrible feeling of suffocation.
More to come in a little bit.
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Date: August 15, 2004 10:49 AM
Author: Jerry R
LaPlante
Subject: Continuing
I suggest that when you meet with your gas passer, you fully understand what the procedures are. Had I done that, I would have known that I was on assisted breathing, and not in danger of suffocation. The body however, reacts automatically, and probably wouldn,t change that horrible feeling. I think it was only for a few minutes or seconds, but it seemed like I was dying. They had control.
After coming around in my room, I was not in any pain. My advice to anyone going through bypass is to take as many of the painkillers as possible, and utilize the overstuffed pillow that they give you to clutch when you have to cough or stand up. That pillow became my best friend for the first 3 days.
I am told that recuperation time will be about 3 months total. Enough for now. If anyone has questions please do not hesitate to ask. The Hospital and surgical staff were great.
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Date: August 15, 2004 11:26 AM
Author: The Reaper !
Subject: Jerry R LaPlante & Recovery
Jerry , you are correct on those pain pills , take them when you need them . It is also very important that you do not mess up your sleeping habits . You will have a the tendency of dosing off during the day , and not being able to sleep through the night . Here is what I would recommend to you , tell your doctor right now that you are having trouble sleeping . Take your pain pill and your sleeping pill about a half hour before you retire , that is about the only chance you will have to get a good nights sleep . The speed of your recovery depends a great deal on how well you rest at night . Also start stretching your shoulders back against your chest incision , you will have a tendency to roll your shoulders forward and hunch your back to protect your incision . Last and not least , WALK WALK WALK sit down when you tire , and then get off your butt and walk some more . A member of the ZIPPER CLUB , The Reaper !
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Date: August 15, 2004 12:54 PM
Author: Jerry R
LaPlante
Subject: Thanks for the advice Reaper.
I also have one tidbit for those interested.
About 3 months before going in for the surgery, I was introduced to oral chelation.
I started taking this wholistic medicine and when the time for surgery came, the surgeon decided to eliminate 1 artery replacement. He told my daughters that it was only 40% blocked.
When I had the angioplasty done in April. the arteries in question were supposed to be 2 blocked at 70%, and 2 blocked at 80%. The surgeon said that he replaced the 2 at 80%, and 1 at 50% blockage. So he only replaced 3 arteries. However, Since I didn't change lifestyle prior to the surgery, I can only attribute the clearing of the other 2 arteries to the chelation medicine I was taking.
Any comments? My daughters went to the nursing staff to verify the blockage registered on the previous tests.
I am not pushing product or anything like that, but I just thought it interesting. I wonder what would have happened had I started that medicine much earlier.
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Date: August 15, 2004 01:10 PM
Author: Finster
Subject: Chelation
Chelation, IMO, is not given a fair shake in our high-drama medicine world. My Dad has had it and is still going strong - and working - at age 82. Chelation may not be the solution for everybody, but since it's much less invasive and less expensive than surugery, it really ought to be the "first resort" way more often.
I am not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that IV chelation is far more effective than the oral variety. If you are considering further treatment, IV chelation is something worth considering. You can get more information from the American College for Advancement in Medicine ACAM.
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Date: August 15, 2004 01:22 PM
Author: Jerry
R LaPlante
Subject: I agree with you Finster.
I am continuing to take oral chelation even now. I think it can only be beneficial to other areas of the body also. At about $1.00 per day, I think it is one of the cheapest preventative medicines around. Wish I had known about it much sooner.
I agree it should be the first resort also. Unfortunately, most people with problems do not find out about these things until it's time for surgery.
Here's hoping some of our experiences will shed some light on a topic that needs real in depth research and discussion.
Have a great day.
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Date: August 15, 2004 01:42 PM
Author: The
Reaper !
Subject: Jerry & Finster
What kind of or method of oral chelation are you using ? The Reaper !
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Date: August 15, 2004 02:31 PM
Author:
Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Reaper, the oral
chelation I am using is....
Honey based. It's called Super Formula #1
Marketed out of West Palm Beach Fla, by Goldshield Elite.
It is also marketed under Golden Pride.
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Date: August 15, 2004 05:22 PM
Author:
The Reaper !
Subject: Jerry R LaPlante
Thanks , I'll look into it . Sounds interesting ! The Reaper !
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Date: August 17, 2004 01:13 PM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject:
Hey Reaper.....
Let us know what you discover.
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Date: August 15, 2004 05:46 PM
Author:
Finster
Subject: Chelation
My dad had intravenous chelation - said to be much more potent. They use EDTA, which is a metal binding agent.
Another issue to consider is diet; and I don't mean the standard low-fat one. Dr. William Campbell Douglass, whose Real Health newsletter is published by Agora and has been promoted a few time on this site, also advocates a low carb diet.
A couple of books on the topic: The Atkins Anti-Aging Diet by Dr. Robert Atkins, and Lights Out by T. S. Wiley & Bent Formby. Both of these sources argue that the standard low fat diet actually exacerbates the problem and propose unique new approaches for reducing the risk of diabetes, heart disease, and cancer, that are backed up by an impressive array of cutting edge research.
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Date: August 15, 2004 06:09 PM
Author:
Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: If I remember right,
wasn't EDTA used during......
the first and second world wars for lead poisoning?
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Date: August 16, 2004 06:51 PM
Author: Finster
Subject: EDTA
You remember right, Jerry. That's what chelating agents do – they bind with heavy metals and flush them from the system. The use of chelation therapy for the circulatory system got its start when in the course of treating patients for heavy metals poisoning, doctors noticed that their angina and other cardiac issues often got better as well.
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Date: August 27, 2004 11:05 AM
Author: Dr W
Subject: EDTA the facts
The best way to do Chelation at home is rectal methiod and it is not as cheap as oral [which imho doesn't work].
The rectal methiod does the same as the IV methiod..
"REMEMBER" to replace the minerals you are loosing!!!!
OR YOU WILL HAVE SERIOUS TROUBLE
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Date: August 15, 2004 06:11 PM
Author:
Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: I heard that
interveinous chelation runs about .....
4 grand per session. I am sure it is a much more potent treatment. I just wonder how many insurance companies will pay for it.
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Date: August 16, 2004 06:50 PM
Author: Finster
Subject: Chelation
Costs
I think it's more like four grand for the entire course of treatment. Which of course compares pretty favorably to heart bypass. I wouldn't expect most insurance companies to pay for it – think of it as something you do for yourself, not your insurance company for your doctors.
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Date: August 23, 2004 09:39 PM
Author: horia
Subject: Welcome back Jerry
All the best to you.
Now that you are so experienced, I will ask you some question: do you think that COQ10 (CoEnzyme Q 10), vitamins C+E, pycnogenol (the spelling might be wrong) and aspirin help ?
I use red wine. It is also fun.
Cheers.
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Date: August 25, 2004 03:31 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Thanks Horia
I believe that a lot of the vitamins are good for a person, but lacking in total knowledge on the subject, I hesitate to endorse all of them.
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Date: August 23, 2004 09:27 AM
Author: Bud Wood
Subject: What do you think was the cause?
Your comments on your process through surgery and recovery are interesting. - - Something which no one wants to go through.
What might be fully as interesting is whether you perceive any cause of your initial problem. Did you smoke, or drink, or eat sugar and fats, or avoid exercise? Certainly, we are physically different and what's good or bad for one may be the opposite for another. However, causes can give directions that can be important.
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Date: August 25, 2004 03:49 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Bud, Thanks for the interest...........
As to the cause of my problems, I think most of the blame belongs on my shoulders. I believe that some of it is hereditary. My father died of a massive heart attack at the age of 49.
I did smoke for many years. Nuff said there.
Being 64 years of age however, I vividly remember the schools showing films in grade school telling us to eat lots of red meats, eggs, dairy products, and we would grow up healthy. Later on in years, that information changed, but I wonder how much damage was done before the truth came out?
Some of the problems I blame on preservatives and chemicals in foods.
All in all, had I listened to warnings issued in the last 20 years, I may have been able to alter things somewhat. Then again who knows.
Listening to the FDA, the AMA or other groups with other agendas can lead to catastrophy. Remember thalidimide?
As for smoking, I did quit on several occasions. Once for 1 year, once for 2 years, and once for 7 years. Once again I have quit.
I did quit drinking for over 20 years. Now that my kids are grown, I have about 1 drink a day. Not while I am recuperating now though.
I grew up on home cooked meals. My mother didn't work outside the home, and was an excellent cook by the standards of her time.
I guess to sum it up. I was born in an era of misinformation. I could have taken more precautions in my lifestyle and eating habits.
Hey, I have lived for 64 years. I am blessed. Many never get this far. No complaints, I takes my lumps, self inflicted or not. Another hundred years and I will never know the difference anyway.
Have a great day.
Jerry
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Date: August 25, 2004 08:18 AM
Author: horia
Subject: Longevity
Q: The Bible says that, during ancient times, people lived for hundreds of years. Why then nowadays people live for less than one hundred years ?
A: Because medicine has progressed very much.
Unknown
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Date: August 25, 2004 09:03 AM
Author: Jerry R
LaPlante
Subject: Some truth in that..........
Isn't it amazing how in human nature, people take others points of view as opposition? If only all types of medical practices would unite in research to find the optimal methods of curing disease.
I just wonder what could be accomplished if all cooperated?
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Date: August 30, 2004 12:38 AM
Author: Bud Wood
Subject: Thanks for your comments
Matter of fact, it probably pays to be somewhat philosophical and observe that you've had a good life for 64 years. At 78, I somewhat feel the same, but still look forward to tomorrow.
You're right. We indeed live in an era of misinformation. Just turn on TV and see the suggestions to ask your doctor about "Curealleon" or some other patent drug whose side effects nobody knows. That's just the tip of the "iceberg" because all the misinformation is so confusing (and subjective) that I guess we just do the best we can. You may be interested in www.lef.org. Not sure that it's wholley valid, but at least it is a reference that I've been able to count on.
My best for another hundred years - - if that works out, you'll be a legend!
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Date: August 30, 2004 11:14 AM
Author: Jerry R
LaPlante
Subject: Thanks for the link Bud,
I will check it out. It is amazing how some of these drugs that are pushed, sell at all. Some of the side affects listed would scare the living cement out of most people.
Keep up the posting. Here's to your good health.
Jerry
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Date: August 30, 2004 08:22 PM
Author: Finster
Subject: LEF
Bud, an LEF-er? You have company. I agree with your assessment. Take everything with a grain of salt, but LEF is pretty good. They sometimes strike me as a little overzealous and don't emphasize diet at much as they could, but I think they're one of the best out there on nutritional supplements.
For what it's worth I also completely agree on the drug advertising issue. These companies have a lot of people convinced, IMO, that they need a drug for blood pressure, another for cholesterol, another for bladder, another for ... and people are just not being skeptical enough.
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Date: August 23, 2004 11:31 PM
Author: Dan Osborne
Subject: Hello
Hi,
How much you want to do for yourself depends on you. The intensity of what you can do varies a huge amount. The full course would be a total diet change going to raw foods or lightly cooked foods. Little meats or no red white meats, fish is OK, best is cold water fish. Nuts, teas, water, fruit juices, best is organic NOT from concentrate, best juices are berry juices. Green powdered or fresh juices, such as wheat grass etc. One particular thing to avoid is a preservative called hydrogenated oil. They take oil in foods and inject hydrogen into it to make it rot proof. Depending on a person's genetics it is like sludge in your viens. Since you had the blockages most likely you can't process this stuff very well. It is almost everything you can imagine, check anything and everything you ingest, including even vitamins and make sure you not getting any of it.
The full program would be excluding coffee and soda and of course smoking. No standard crap american foods such as eggs and bacon for breakfest. Shocking as it may seem the full program would avoid wheat products and dairy products. Wheat has glutten in it that sticks to your intestines and messes up your digestion and absorbtion of vitamins minerials etc. Good clean water is a must, not a option and plenty of it. The most powerfull thing for health is juicing and something most no one does. You buy a juicer and you can juice almost any vegetable or fruit that you can eat. When you juice such items you are putting in tons more nutrition than you can ever eat since it removes the pulp part but keeps most of the nutrition part in the juice. Full blown health recovey program would mean up to 14 glasses of juice a day.
This is a taste of how far you can go with this stuff and it is up to a person to research and do it as they desire. Each heart attack damages the heart. My family has a history of heart attacks and I am already following the full program as close as I can and hope for no heart attacks.
Dan
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Date: August 25, 2004 03:51 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Thanks Dan,.......
I have printed off your posts. I really apreciate your information. I am sure I will find it useful.
Jerry
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Date: August 25, 2004 03:40 PM
Author: Finster
Subject: Comment
Although I agree with much of what Dan suggests, I do recommend eggs. They've been given a black eye due to cholesterol content, but are not atherogenic. They contain substances such as lecithin and choline that actually help keep cholesterol in suspension, the antioxident lutein, and if you use organic or free range eggs, plenty of the omega-3 fatty acid docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), and another beneficially fatty acid called conjugated linolenic acid (CLA). Not to mention virtually zero carbs and a nice quotient of high-quality protein, including the essential amino acid methionine.
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Date: August 23, 2004 11:41 PM
Author: Dan Osborne
Subject: One more thing
It is not often stated in the common information but if you go to a lower fat health diet you must start thinking about injesting good fats daily. Your body needs fat and to go to a zero or very low fat diet usually leads to failure. After a week of no fat you usually blow up and start eating big macks and fries and so on. The key is to start early and get your fats in the morning. Healthy fats that I use is flax seed and olive oil. I really like to take some milled flax seed and add it my breakfest. Take about 2 to 4 table spoons for breakfest. I also like to get canned fish, sardines with olive oil in it for the evening. Milled flax seed is cheap and can be found in most grocery stores.
Today I bought some grape seed oil from a health food store and I am going to try that out. For olive oil they recomend the extra virgin olive oil which means only one pressing. Go easy on this stuff as a little goes a long way, the vigin olive oil is two pressings and so one. I am guessing the more pressings means more good stuff is taken out of the oil but at the same time it may be a little more easy to digest.
Dan
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Date: August 25, 2004 06:47 AM
Author: b patton
I live in an RV park and am one of the young permanent residents (63) whilst I have never had heart surgery at least 75% who do stay here have undergone same.
Most of us ride our bicycles. It is wonderful exercise, even those that have had quad bypasses etc. Of course I do notmean Armstrong dashes! but every morning and every night a slow spin around the park does thepower of g.
Perhaps you would like to try the same - the others say it is better than walking!! One old lady has a huge 3 wheel tricycle and enjoys it no end.
Way to go Mr Jerry
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Date: August 25, 2004 09:41 AM
Author: Jerry R LaPlante
Subject: Thanks again.
I am currently enrolled in the aftercare rehab program at the hospital. It includes bicycle peddling and treadmill work. It is 1 hour per day, 3 days per week, for about 8 weeks. In between, I have a walking schedule I try to keep, that is over and above normal daily routine.
I am sure it will help restore some of the muscle lost during the illness and surgery.
Have a great day
Jerry
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Date: August 25, 2004 08:09 AM
Author: Finster
Subject: Dan & Fats
Dan, you are correct. There's been a lot of ill-founded hysteria about fats for a few decades now, but it has much more to do with the quality of fats than people eating too much.
Flax and olive are excellent. Personally, I prefer to just chew up a mouthful of fresh organic flaxseed a few times a week. That way you get the protein, lignans, and other fibers and micronutrients as well as the omega-3 oil.
Another excellent fat that has gotten a bad rap is coconut oil. This oil is almost pure energy, and partly due to being about 97% saturated, is not prone to oxidation. Furthermore, the main fatty acids are medium chain, meaning that they are readily burned in the mitochondria without needing the carnitine transport mechanism. Finally, the principal fatty acid is lauric acid, which has antiviral qualities.
The replacement of this healthy fat with hydrogenated substitutes in the wake of CSPC's movie theater popcorn scare year back is a nutritional tragedy.
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Date: August 25, 2004 09:14 PM
Author: Lucius Foster
Subject: I am not sure what it is but perhaps moderation
I am 82 years old and have worked hard to have a full life which is still on going. I was raised by alki parents who both drank to great excess. So I was raised all over the world but one thing I learned no heavy drinking. I can take two Martini's and that is it on the third I put on a lampshade and make a fool of myself. If I have a fourth Martini I will spend the night with my head in a toilet, so I do not. I have been awarded 4 purple hearts, no I was not on a Swifty Boat.Lots of foreign decorations cause I work cheap and for anybody. I have had three wives and the last one I have been with for 25 years. She does cry on occasion but then I put on the tutu and take her to dinner. Yes I leave the tutu on this is Hollywood. I have made large sums of money and I have lost or given it away twice. So now I am doing it all over again from the bottom. I have very rich children but alas once they got it I seem not to see them too often. Must be my charm.
I am never sick, take an asprin every morning followed by a glug of orange juice. Have wine with my dinner and toast my one remaining child of 15. My wife is 55 years old has a problem with Cantonese, the tones you know.We send the 15 year old to Chinese school on Saturday which destroys the day. I think everyone should know at least 3 languages and if into porn at least Medieval Latin or Perhaps Greek.
I am engaged in turning ISO containers made of chinese Steel into beautiful modern eclectic houses with all the really modern stuff. They are designed for low income people. Sort of fun making an all steel house that is at the state of the art level. You have to be tap city to get one but I am thinking of building one in Beverly HIlls, why not good design the fact that they sell for $58,000 should not keep the rich from owning one. Still trying to find a Klingon to pose in front of it for the ads.
Life is a blast, very confusing, the minute I figure out one way of life, damn some turkey causes it to all change and I have to learn it all over. Try learning CAD program at the age of 82. I learned Albanian faster.
I think the secret to good health is just go live your life and ignore the little pains. My god my arm is numb can I be having an attack. OOOps I just sat on it. Ah well. Enjoy I really do not know if we come around again.
Cheers Lucius
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Date: August 25, 2004 09:18 PM
Author: Dan Osborne
Subject: Super man juice
I want to point out that the transition from a non healthy diet to a healthy one for most is a slow process. To slam your body to a healthy diet can be hard on you. One thing that tends to happen is that your body will start to use it's fat stores and then releases posions including stored hydrogenated oil and other toxins that try to clog your arteries. It is important to realise this and try to help your body to process and detox. Understand your body will store any toxins that it can't get rid of at the moment in your fat. As you start to eat more healthy and of course losing weight. Then the body will use it's fat stores and of course it will start to release the toxins at the same time. I think the flax seed and other good fats will help you process this stuff.
Moderation, often you hear some people talk about everything in moderation. For me I don't want to be moderatly healthy. One candy bar a day and one cup of coffee a day and one bagle a day with cream cheeze, top it off with a extra bad thing of the day such as a soda so eating at moderation is very bad for you. In other words you can't eat mostly good and injest bad things and expect to be as healthy as you can. It is more critical for a person who is ill to be "hard core" in being healthy. I do slip sometimes but only in social situations where being too strict is alkward.
Me, I gave up soda first I was adicted to Dr pepper, then coffee, then candies, chocolate chip cookees where the hardest thing for me, I slowly weened myself from them using organic cookees from the health store, Nueman's cookies taste pretty good. Start checking out the health food stores, there you will find mini experts in health. If you find a person who really knows their stuff they can really help. Everyone has their own ideas on healthy eating. Personally I follow gary null as best as I can. Garynull.com
The super man juice is the berry and vegetable juices. The key is to get the super green juices either in powder form or made fresh for you. Green juices are chelating agents as well, the best of course are organic but you do the best you can. In many health food stores they make the juices for you. Start off with a big glass of juice made primarly from greens and also a ounce of wheat grass. The wheat grass is super, super powerful for me. As in when I am drinking it regularly I don't need as much sleep and have energy. As in staying up all night getting a few hours sleep and then hiking 5 to 10 miles type of energy. For men the B vitamins are very very important. If your having any other health problems such as your bones or back pain then other vitamins are important and should be taken at a higher doseage for awhile. I think the best thing is to start of slowly then as you get stronger to do more. At first find a good powdered multi vitamin and take that for several months then identify if you need any extra vitamins for health. One exception is vitamin C you should take a good quality C vitamin at around 2-4+ grams a day spaced out during the day. It will do a lot of good things.
I don't know as much as I should but as a general thing. Start to identify the unhealthy things you eat daily. Start to identify your life style the unhealthy unhappy things you do or negitive people you are around. Try to modify both toward a positive direction. Try to modify your mind toward a more positive direction. Just recently I moved from a lab job in new york where I was very unhappy at my job to back home. Now I am more happy, and even though in the country in WVa I have less access to organic foods and have less money for such things, I am much more relaxed and happy. All I had to do is get out of that rut and I did it.
Once you identify the bad things get rid of them as you can. Subsitute, coffee for green tea or another tea. Soda for healthy juice, White bread for a more healthy bread, best is a homemade bread in a bread maker, carefully so that it is healthy bread. Garden food is best in the world, I have not grown one yet but am thinking of trying one.
Limit your DR intake and just let it roll off your back like a duck's back in water..
I a few days ago got some powdered wheat grass and kelp. I got both in bulk at a health food store and I can feel a effect very quickly. I had a third powder, spirenela It is a bright green powder, 52$ a pound I had 10$ worth I showed it to my dad and then walked out to his garden. When we got back we found his old pet dog got into it and spread it all over the porch and was eating it. The dog is so old she can hardly walk but she found it! She knew what is good for her, often dogs eat greens when they are sick. I plan to buy more but havn't yet, I want to try this stuff out. We swept it up and put it in her dog bowl....
Careful with wheat grass, it is very powerful and it will take awhile for your body to get used to it. It can make you feel sick. I suggest to wait a few months before you start drinking it.
Full blown program would avoid, white wheats totally. Including pasta, they make rice pasta. No dairy or very little dairy. Eggs, I really don't know but I would go organic if eating them regularly if I could. Meats eat the fish, north cold water fish. Be careful they fish farm a lot of fishes now. For example there is salmon coming of fish farms in thialand and no telling what they are fed. Fish farms for shrimp in panama and I wouldn't be surprised if they are fed human crap. No junk foods. Aviod white sugar, Yes to natural lightly cooked things. check every lable for preservatives they are in everything, pick up every package and check for hydrogenated oil and aviod it like the plauge which it is for your heart. Just recently my mom and step dad was eating "low Fat" margerine insted of butter. It was LOADED with hydrogentatd oil. Now they are getting the natural butter, it is more healthy. Ever notice that a candy bar can be placed outside and it won't rot, ever really think about this? Peanut butter out on the counter for MONTHS and it won't rot, ever notice? Look at the lable, this stuff can't be processed by those tough little bugs how can your body process it? Effects depending on genetics- it is like poison.
Water, drink as much water as you can every day while de toxing if losing weight I think some distilled water would be good. I myself try to go half distilled and half good spring water. Understand when they distill water the remove everything but the H2O. But normal water has many minerals in it your body needs. Over a very long time of only drinking distilled water it can depleat your body of these minerals. It takes a long time a year or so but be aware. To detox for a short period of time more distilled water can help. What happens distilled water in your system will go equiliberum with the the water and other stuff already in your body. It is like this if you had a table spoon of salt in a gallon of water and then you added a gallon of distilled water to it then this table spoon will be diluted that amount. Of course when you drink a lot of water you pee a lot more so there you are helping your body detox. Of course regular water will do the same but I suspect distilled water would have a slightly greater effect.
If you have any questions I will try to answer.
There is a lot to learn in this field, check out the books at the health stores.
Drugs and doctors, Don't trust them. For example my grandfather was given a new drug during his operation and it destroyed his body's ablity to make blood. He was never the same afterward. I have other personal examples, stuff on the net as well. Staton drugs for lowering colestral are very very dangerous. ANY new drugs just on the market are very very dangerous. In short don't trust your doctor check every drug carefully and do your r
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Date: August 27, 2004 10:52 AM
Author: Finster
Subject: Organic Eggs
Yes there is a difference! You are right, Dan. Organic eggs, those from chickens that are allowed to scratch and have plenty of room to grow, are not pumped full of artificial growth stimulants, have measurably different biochemical profiles. They're higher in carotenoids such as lutein, have more omega-3 fatty acids, and more CLA (conjugated linoleic acid).
There is a world of difference between eggs, milk products, and meats from organically raised livestock versus those fed antibiotics, hormones, and raised in cramped conditions with no green feed. Most of the health rap these kinds of food have gotten is not because of any inherent unhealthiness, but because the majority of what's available has not been raised in healthy conditions.
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Date: August 27, 2004 11:12 AM
Author: Dr W
Subject: Dear Dan ..........Things you need to know
Your garden is worthless unless you add the multi-minerals back into the soil...... 10-10-10 sprinkled on the garden grows nice looking veggies, but you need more than Nitrates and potash and such to be healthy.
You should use a product like Growers 57 ...
Look it up on the web...
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Date: August 29, 2004 10:30 AM
Author: Finster
Subject: Breadmaking Technique
Dan, you might appreciate this breadmaking technique. Take you favorite breadmaking wheat, e.g. hard red or hard white, and add maybe one tablespoon per loaf of barley (pearled or naked). We're talking the actual whole grain here, not the flour. Soak in pure water until the first robust sprouts appear.
Now run the sprouts through a grinder. There are mills available that you can wet grind, or you can use a meat grinder. The latter may require two or three passes to get the proper consistency.
Add salt and yeast as you would to an ordinary bread recipe. Knead well, let rise, etceteras, and bake. Aside from using the moist sprouts in place of flour and water, you're just baking whole grain bread similarly to the way the traditional French have done for many decades.
If you like natural whole grain bread, you will love this stuff. It's the healthiest bread you can make and absolutely delicious.
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Date: August 30, 2004 10:19 PM
Author: Thye Usual
Suspect
Subject: Yeah right there ,Funster....
And might I add, you will have no problem stayin regular with your Bathroom visits also......a small point Fun-boy left out...
That stuff he is proposin is lethal to both man and beast alike!!!
HOOT
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Date: August 25, 2004 09:34 PM
Author: Dan Osborne
Subject: Lucius Foster
Thanks,
Your going strong, tell your kids come by and say hello. We do drift apart, money has nothing to do with it.
I guess you eat fairly well and lower stress.
Dan
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Date: August 28, 2004 12:06 PM
Author: horia
Subject: Okinawa
There is a book about the longevity in Okinawa, the highest in Japan, which is the highest in the world.
You cannot summarize it in a few lines but fish+cereals are of utmost importance.
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Date: August 30, 2004 10:20 PM
Author: horia
Subject: CoQ10
Coenzyme Q10
It is marvellous. It acts as a power plant for the cells. It repairs the tissues. It is a powerful antioxidant.
Just perform a google search for it.
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